Banned from the WSACT Forum

Posted January 14th, 2008 by Joe Kaiser

Dear Rob,

They banned me!

Maybe it was a private forum just for county treasurers. It is, after all, called the Washington State Association of County Treasurers.

I happened upon their online forum (thanks for the heads up – you know who) and decided to take a peek inside. I found it “interesting.”


No Access

I’d give you the link and access info, but as you can see from the image above, my access has been terminated (I’ve asked the admin to confirm), but I’m glad I got a look around, just the same.

And, while I was there, I decided to contribute to the discussions, hoping there’d be a good thread or two as a result.

Well, that ain’t gonna happen.

One Thread

I did capture, for lack of a better word, all the posts that referenced me. Admittedly, there were only a handful, but even those few were enough to demonstrate what’s happening here.

For you and readers of this blog, I’ve uploaded one such post, along with my reply. I’m hopeful (but doubtful) it was up long enough so at least a handful of county treasurers could take a look.

Here’s a link to that thread . . . Conspiratorial PDR?

In the arena,

Joe Kaiser

4 Responses to: “Banned from the WSACT Forum”

  1. SpyBoy responds:
    Posted: January 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm


    Wow! Is that my 15 seconds of noteriety ?

    To clarify; what I was suggesting is not merely that Joe submits FOIA’s to each county for such records, as I know he is very capable in that regard, and is using all tools at his disposal. What I was suggesting is that everyone could submit such requests, and that there might be a benefit to be gained by doing so. After all, it is a tool granted to the people by the legislative branch, to keep the executive branches actions in the light.

    Interestingly, I came across a case from NY the other day, where the largest data aggregator in the country ( as pertains to public land records ), sued a county that refused to honor its FOIA request. The request was for massive quantities of records.

    That case obviously has its own facts and specifics. What cought my attention was the determination that the fact that the company was requesting the records for a ” commercial ” purpose, that it was the companys intention to make those records available to others for a price, was irrelevant as to the countys right to refuse to honor its otherwise appropriate FOIA request. The case is an interesting read for those interested in the subject matter.

    The case is titled ” In the Matter of Data Tree, LLC v. Edward P. Romaine, Pigott, J. ” Note; there are various decisions in this case, as it has been in litigation for awhile. The one I reference is from the N Y State Cout of Appeals, dated 12/18/07. One could likely find it easily by Googling ( in quotes ) ” in the matter of data tree “.

    One final point, to clarify. When I used the word ” scheme ” in the referenced post, I was using it in a neutral manner ( as the British use it ), as opposed to the typical American use which usually carries certain connotations or implications.

    The fact is that when such tax overages are not claimed, they eventually revert to the county. The fact is the Joes investment methods, in certain instances, caused those monies to be claimed by him ( through his legal entities ) directly, or by the homeowner directly and then passed on by the homeowner to Joe, per contractual agreement. In those instances the county did not get what they otherwise would have, had it not been for Joe.

    The truth is that, looking at the nature and actions of government throughout history, when the citizen attempts to interfere with the governments revenue generating activities, there will be hell to pay, and no expense will be spared. Its ultimately a matter of power rather than money. Governments will spend whatever it takes to retain particular powers, as with the powers in place the money will follow.

    On the bright side; the pyramids are flattening/collapsing. There is a massive powershift happening, and we are in the very early stage. Power structures have always depended on, as a fundamental tool, the ability to control information, and to restrict information distribution. Well folks, the genie is out of that bottle, never to be put back. When we look back at this time we are in now, the internet and world wide web being the drivers, the impact, and the changes resulting, will be seen to be proportionately more significant than the printing press, right up there with the invention of the wheel and the discovery of fire.

    Keep On Keeping On !

  2. DaveD responds:
    Posted: January 15th, 2008 at 6:39 am

    I’m getting the feeling your nose is getting red from all these doors that keep getting slammed in your face… including getting bounced from the treasurer forum.

    They just don’t appreciate all the grief you’ve caused by shining the light on on their escheat scheme… and the BAD publicity they get by hosing 79 year old widows like Mallia… and then clumsily projecting it onto you. A little slight of hand they hope to get away with? Not!

    Facts are a terrible thing for the counties and the AG to have against them, don’t you agree? Yet, they circle the wagons tighter. Human nature, or more specifically ego and ambition – sure can get in the way of common sense. Sad we are seeing what happens when government gets too invested in the dark side of human nature. It’s enough to make even Bobo go bananas.

  3. Jason responds:
    Posted: January 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    If you made 4 posts to that forum, they are still there and your name is atached as a “guest”

  4. Davido responds:
    Posted: January 16th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Thank you Joe, Spyboy, and Doug for your enlightening comments. Joe, I too encourage you to keep on fighting for your (and our) rights. Best wishes in your work.

    Spyboy, thanks for all your comments and suggestions on the blog. Hope you’re right about the pyramids flattening. Unfortunately, power is going the wrong direction in the short term. It is being consolidated. The next decade will see the internet ever more tightly controlled.

    I believe freedom lovers will prevail eventually.

    However, most of us now living are likely to die fighting for justice, and see things get worse in our lifetimes, before our children, or our children’s children finally level the pyramidal power structures.

    Doug, please do keep posting about Joe Kaiser. He’s a true American patriot. Studying him will do you good.

    Davido of Thurston County

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